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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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Sim, mas digo que foi burrice pq a mesma coisa aconteceu ano passado. Na moto, a sensação do piloto na pista vale muito mais do que qq coisa, mas deviam ter combinado uma placa especial para esses casos em que alguém botou slick e está tirando muitos segundo.

Uma "box" sugestão, como normalmente fazem, e outra para dizer que se o cara não entrar agora, vai perder a corrida. Achei que combinariam algo assim depois da corrida do ano passado.
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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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Pergunta.... Os pela saco do sport TV, elogiaram a escolha de slick do MM, mas quem fez isso foi a equipe certo?
Então só elogios para a Honda que matou a pau na estratégia....

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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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MM é o Rei de Sachsenring !
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E a história da primeira já estar engatada na troca de moto?

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Corrida estilo loteria, a sorte caiu no colo do MM
Mas como não existe MGP chata, Show! Parabéns MM.
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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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tipo da corrida que falem que quiser, MM esta muito a frente dos outros pilotos, cara é paciente e certeiro...
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Fabio Ninja escreveu:tipo da corrida que falem que quiser, MM esta muito a frente dos outros pilotos, cara é paciente e certeiro...
O moleque amadureceu..... Era o que faltava pra ficar perfeito.
Agora ele não se arrisca à toa, virou um estrategista.
Será campeão fácil esse ano.....e pelo jeito.....será muitas vezes campeão ainda.
Já VR , quem eu ainda admiro......realmente tá decepcionando.......ele tem que confiar na equipe........ Infelizmente..... O cara insiste em achar que faz a diferença..
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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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Não teria adiantado, pois a segunda moto do Rossi estava montada com pneus de chuva intermediários. Por isso ele ficou tão longe do Dovi no final. A estratégia estava errada desde o início.
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E não é só o séquito que ta hoje na amargura e desgosto, mas também quem idolatrava o JL, né não? }:)
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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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Pois é, nunca tinha visto um piloto considerado "alien" ficar tão, mas tão traumatizado com chuva que não chega nem na zona de pontos quando a pista está molhada. Lorenzo está decepcionando nesse aspecto.
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Jorge Lorenzo pilota muito...


Será?
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Yamaha tá precisando alugar uma pista, molhar e deixar os dois lá treinando até faltar pneu e combustível.
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But Rossi's biggest issue was the lack of speed after his pit stop, the Yamaha star losing almost ten-seconds to eventual podium finishers Crutchlow (2nd) and Dovizioso (3rd) in the space of three laps.

“The biggest problem was that I was very slow in the second part of the race with the intermediate on the drying track,” The Doctor confirmed. “I had no feeling with the bike. I was very, very slow in the first lap, ten seconds, because I didn't feel the bike. I didn't feel the tyres.”

With Marquez in spectator form on slicks, some were quick to state that fitting intermediates to Rossi's bike had clearly been a mistake.

But while all the riders that finished in front of Rossi had at least a slick rear tyre, only the Hondas - renowned for working the front tyre - went for slicks front and rear.

Indeed, Jorge Lorenzo's team manager Wilco Zeelenberg believes only the combination of Marquez's hard-riding style and the Honda's tendency to (over) load the front allowed the Spaniard to get away with such an early change to slicks.

“After the problems we had [getting temperature into] the front tyre on Friday we decided to put the intermediates,” Rossi explained. “We make the decision together with the team, because on Friday for us the soft front slick was too hard.

“I don't know if it was a wrong choice and it would be interesting to try the slick if we can go back in time. But on paper the slick can also be more difficult because in the first lap I had no feeling even with the intermediate tyres and I was very slow.

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Joaquim escreveu:Jorge Lorenzo pilota muito...


Será?
tb gosto do Lorenzo, porém , na chuva na vira mesmo
e duas quedas no qualify foi cruel....
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Joaquim escreveu:Jorge Lorenzo pilota muito...


Será?

MotoGP Germany: Jorge Lorenzo: I must do something 18 July 2016
“I have to do something, and let's see if it works” - Jorge Lorenzo

Cold and damp Sachsenring conditions underlined a major chink in Jorge Lorenzo's armoury, with the reigning MotoGP champion left to salvage a single point from a miserable weekend.

Lorenzo kicked off the German round with a fast fall at the infamous Turn 11, then tumbled twice more qualifying - an unprecedented sight.

The Movistar Yamaha rider maintained progress had been made. But race rain put him back to square one as he struggled with the same lack of front-end confidence that taunted him at the previous Assen race.

15th in the middle stages, Lorenzo peaked at seventh on the drying track, only to lose all the places gained when a late (lap 24 of 30) pit stop was combined with a return on intermediate tyres.

The Spaniard, who took the chequered flag 1m 17.694s behind Honda winner and title leader Marc Marquez, is now focused on finding an urgent solution to his woes.

“I must do something, especially with the Michelin tyres in these conditions,” Lorenzo said. “With the Bridgestones when it was raining I could sometimes fight for the win, sometimes for fifth, but now with this bike and tyres I struggle much, much more.

“The [wet] warm-up was terrible and I was four seconds from the top. In the race I improved my speed, but when the track dried out I start losing the front feeling and I couldn't keep the pace.

“Also we made a mistake with the strategy. I came in very late, because after the mistakes of last year I decided to come in just when the team put 'in' on the board. And that's what I did. Also they put me on the intermediate tyre that finally we saw wasn't the best option.

“We weren't prepared enough to make the right decision at the right moment. So we have a lesson to learn for the future. Anyway, I wasn't competitive. That's it.”

Lorenzo revealed that he will try and use the upcoming summer break, following this week's Austria test, to work on improving his confidence away from the track.

“I will rest, recover and forget a little bit the races. But after four, five or six days I will come back training physically and maybe do something to improve for these conditions in the future.

“It's not easy for me, with my riding style, to get confidence quickly with these tyres. I have to do something, and let's see if it works.”

Lorenzo remains second in the world championship, but his torrid weekend means the gap to Marquez has doubled to 48 points.

“The championship is not finished until we don't have a mathematical chance to win it,” he said. “We saw today that Marc for example was very brave and very fast in all the conditions. He crashed this morning in the warm-up and he's been lucky not to get injured.

“Anything can happen. We saw other championships that the leader with a big advantage can lose, so you have to be positive and still believe that it's possible. But first we have to recover the confidence, and then we have to recover the good results.

“It has been three very bad races for us.”

Lorenzo has scored seven points from the past three rounds, including being taken out by Iannone in Catalunya, compared with 33 points for Rossi and 65 for Marquez

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Luigi escreveu:E a história da primeira já estar engatada na troca de moto?

MotoGP Germany: Race Direction: Marquez bike swap legal 18 July 2016
"The bike is in neutral when he arrives and they are following exactly the directive that I've given them" - Mike Webb, MotoGP race director.

Images of Marc Marquez's mechanic holding the clutch lever as the Spaniard changed bikes during Sunday's German MotoGP caused some to jump to the wrong conclusion.

A directive issued to teams prior to the event stated that, for safety reasons, the rider must put the second bike into gear himself when he switches machines.

Previously the second bike could be put into gear before the rider arrived, increasing the risk of a pit lane incident during the handover.

Although the mechanic was holding the clutch lever, data confirmed that it had been race winner Marquez who put the bike into gear.

MotoGP race director Mike Webb explained: “Marquez did it in warm-up (pictured) so we went along and [Repsol Honda] said, 'we hold the clutch lever so he can jump on the bike and put it into gear as he goes'.

“So the bike is in neutral when he arrives and they are following exactly the directive that I've given them, which is; the rider puts the bike into gear.

“I asked Danny [Aldridge, technical director] to check the data and confirm that it was in neutral. So I'm happy that the change was fine, they knew what they were doing and knew the rules.”

However to avoid having to check data after every bike swap, Webb may now tweak the wording: “Having seen that option I'm considering redoing the regulation to tidy it up. So it will effectively say 'don't hold the clutch'.”

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/232213 ... 16C3EHS.99
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Kokimoto escreveu:
Luigi escreveu:E a história da primeira já estar engatada na troca de moto?

MotoGP Germany: Race Direction: Marquez bike swap legal 18 July 2016
"The bike is in neutral when he arrives and they are following exactly the directive that I've given them" - Mike Webb, MotoGP race director.

Images of Marc Marquez's mechanic holding the clutch lever as the Spaniard changed bikes during Sunday's German MotoGP caused some to jump to the wrong conclusion.

A directive issued to teams prior to the event stated that, for safety reasons, the rider must put the second bike into gear himself when he switches machines.

Previously the second bike could be put into gear before the rider arrived, increasing the risk of a pit lane incident during the handover.

Although the mechanic was holding the clutch lever, data confirmed that it had been race winner Marquez who put the bike into gear.

MotoGP race director Mike Webb explained: “Marquez did it in warm-up (pictured) so we went along and [Repsol Honda] said, 'we hold the clutch lever so he can jump on the bike and put it into gear as he goes'.

“So the bike is in neutral when he arrives and they are following exactly the directive that I've given them, which is; the rider puts the bike into gear.

“I asked Danny [Aldridge, technical director] to check the data and confirm that it was in neutral. So I'm happy that the change was fine, they knew what they were doing and knew the rules.”

However to avoid having to check data after every bike swap, Webb may now tweak the wording: “Having seen that option I'm considering redoing the regulation to tidy it up. So it will effectively say 'don't hold the clutch'.”

Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/232213 ... 16C3EHS.99
ou seja, ninguém nunca vai saber se realmente estava engatada :-D
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Re: MotoGP 2016 - Sachsenring

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O camarada diz que olhou na telemetria e constatou que realmente estava no neutro. Agora, se ele está mentindo ou não, não tem como saber. :-D
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Muito estranho esse desempenho do Lorenzo na chuva nesse ano, qualquer pesquisada no google com as palavras "Jorge Lorenzo vence na chuva" retornam algumas vitórias do Lorenzo em piso molhado...

Acho que ele, mais que todos do grid, não conseguiu se adaptar aos pneus michelin.
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